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Postby gonzalom » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:50 am

Guys,

I know everybody thinks I am too busy in the jet world.... true.... but I decided to do a super upgrade on my Vario turbine Lama. I just installed the new helicommand HC3 Extreme. I heard such great comments from this unit on a large Vario Alloute III from some friends in Europe that I have to give it a try. Let me tell you, the unit is a jewel! and the setting up via their software it’s so logical and simple to understand, absolutely perfect for scale helicopters. Thank you for Mr. Dave Hollins at Vario Germany that provided me with the software configurations for my Lama for the HC3 Extreme. It only took some minor adjustments to get it ready. The systems have passed all my rigorous bench testing with flying starts. I used to have a Vstabi….. and it was a lot more complicated to understand on the programming side.

I also upgrade all my servos from Futabas 9206 to JR High Voltage 8711 and that included upgrading my spectrum Rec to the new 1222 with the high voltage bus. I am using 2 duralites with 5,200 mha each….. so plenty of power for those demanding digital servos. Now I will be using my JR 12X transmiter insted of my MC24 with the 12channel spectrum module. My MC 24 has almost every switch you can posible imagine plus it look brand new. I might put my MC 24 Spectrum for sale as it doesn't make any sense for me to have 2 12channels transmiters.

One think that it was in my mind for a long time was to replace some of the plastic links for the swash plate. Those links are sell by Starwood models and are the very best I have ever seen in the industry.
After a few business trip I have coming up I will be burning hopefully gallons of Jet fuel in the Lama! Wish me luck and enjoy the pictures. I am planning to push the Lama to the limits doing some new maneuvers.

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Totto » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:36 pm

Hello Gonzalo,

Thanks for your infos regarding your upgrade. I have also done a series of changements in my Lama with the HC3 extreme included. Still not mounted it so it was nice to see were you have placed yours.

Question : Do you have a remote light where you can see the led status on the H3C extreme ? I mean since yours is mounted in the bottom and with the deck floor above ?

“One think that it was in my mind for a long time was to replace some of the plastic links for the swash plate. Those links are sell by Starwood models and are the very best I have ever seen in the industry.”


Those looks fine. Could you please inform the order number for it ?

Thanks and good luck !
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby gonzalom » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:21 pm

Hey Totto,

The links are from Starwood models part number SM0152. Now I don't have any of the Vario links in my lama just the ones from Starwood. Love them and I am using the same ones for my large jets too.

Yes you are right about the light on the HC3.... I thought doing a clear window on top of the main cabin floor but I decided not to do so..... I still can see the light from the side back in front of the mechanics. Also if the HC3 is not initiallized properly it will not run the servos..... so if doesn't make much sense that you need to see the light.

looking forward for the test.

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Totto » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:02 am

Hello again Gonzalo,

Thanks for the infos !
Also if the HC3 is not initiallized properly it will not run the servos..... so if doesn't make much sense that you need to see the light.

Sure, very good point :-)

I hope that all this new electronical rotorhead system will feel better instantly to fly compared to just a mechanical setup. Will be interresting to hear what your impression is.

Will you use also the gyro system included in the HC3 for the tail or will you have a separate gyro as before ?

I'm sure your test of this will be a success and looking forward to hear about it !

Please see your pic that i have marked with red....seems to be also a new modification that you have done..? Is this also to be purchased from Starwood ?
Looks secure and great.
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby gonzalom » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:19 am

Hi Totto,
Yes I remove my GY 401 for the tail as I would be using the HC3 for that too. The system would work better as it's all setup to run together.

Yes on the picture the links comes with the ball and stand off. You use use a 3mm bolt and you are all set.

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Totto » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:57 am

Hello Gonzalo,

Ok, thanks much for your answers and good luck with the testing !
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Helirupert » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:16 am

Gonzalom,

I see something very interesting in your pictures: Which (lenshead Allen?) bolts do you use for the link balls? Do they have integrated shims? This to prevent the ball links from popping off? Where do you buy them?

To everybody: has anybody tried Vario's newer 3-blade rotorhead for helis heavier than 21 kilos? I am considering to get one for my turbine Lama. :wacko:
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:04 am

has anybody tried Vario's newer 3-blade rotorhead for helis heavier than 21 kilos? I am considering to get one for my turbine Lama.

For a future project not yet well defined, I'm very interested in the answers to that pertinent question. Some were saying it's not necessary better or more precise than the direct one previously proposed.
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby gonzalom » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:45 pm

I am just using a washer on the metric allen bolt.... the washer is not integrated..... the washer is an over kill because the link system is very very hard to pop off.

What new vario head are you guys talking about? By the way i haven't try mine yet...... weather is not helping plus very cold. I just update the HC3 Extreme software and its even nicer with options for scale helicopter over 2m rotor!!!! I can wait to test but i will make sure to do it when the weather is good enough.

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Helirupert » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:47 am

This is the Lama rotorhead:
http://gb.vario-helicopter.biz/shop/pro ... s_id=37783
("Up to 20 kg take-off weight")

When Alouette III was introduced, I believe there were some issues with ball links popping off. The above head was then modified with a separate mixer unit (on the shaft under the rotor head which "gears down" the swash plate movements and also made the linkage running more straight (to avoid ball links popping off?):
http://gb.vario-helicopter.biz/shop/pro ... s_id=38399

The "new" rotor head has the mixer integrated:
http://gb.vario-helicopter.biz/shop/pro ... s_id=38766
("For models with take-off weights above 20 kg")

Weather is not helping here either, -10 C degrees and snowfall almost every day. :huh:

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:09 am

Weather is not helping here either, -10 C degrees and snowfall almost every day.


Yep the same for us in Switzerland a lot of snow forcast for this night and about -5 to -15°C...
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:10 am

What new vario head are you guys talking about?

Yep the very one Robert was mentioning and refering to :cool:
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby satsuma » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:11 am

We also have snow and minus 5 degrees.
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:30 am

In Switzerland the situation has worsen the airport is currently closed due to too bad weather snow and heavy fog....
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Totto » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:39 am

Weather is cold here in Norway too -20 deg C today, but a good thing --- almost nothing of the blo.....snow..... :blowup:
No, i dont miss it at all, even on X-mas :laugh:
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Peter » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:36 am

Big temperature drop here today too. It dropped from 85F (29C) to 65 F (20c) overnight. Good job I have a nice warm pullover to put on......after I get out of the heated pool :fro:
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:46 pm

Dear Peter, you've build a very nice scale red Alouette III Securite Civile 3 blades. What's your experience with the Vario head and could you comments on the reliability and ease of use of such heads?
Best "cold" winter regards from snowing Switzerland (warm from the heart though :beer: )
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:51 pm

65 F (20c) overnight.

I wish we'd such tropical weather now in Geneva :laugh:
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Totto » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:40 pm

Hello,

Big temperature drop here today too. It dropped from 85F (29C) to 65 F (20c) overnight. Good job I have a nice warm pullover to put on......after I get out of the heated pool


Heli Suisse: This is what i will call pure weather terror from Peter's side :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Peter » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:54 am

I flew the Vario head only before the model was painted. When it was painted I went to an after market scale head.

The setup on the head was weird. The swash goes up to increase collective as normal, but all other cyclic functions are reversed. The whole assembly just did not look scale in any way and that encouraged me to take it off and fit the scale head.

Flying it felt just fine, in the limited time I was flying it. It didn't seem to be any different from the same head I had on my short lived MI-2. That had a link come off and destroyed the heli on it's maiden flight, and probably prompted Vario to look at the design on the the rotor head.

If I had the choice, I would fit it in in a situation where the "mixer arms" were not visible but otherwise would use the old head and fit secure ball links which could not come off such as the all metal links I bought from England.

I understand Dave Hollins, Varios English ex test pilot, flew the new head and did not like it. I cant remember what he said he didn't like about the way it flew, but he was not comfortable with it.
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:29 am

Thank you Peter for that valuable piece of information
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby sala7 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:23 am

Hello Everyone ... and thanks Gonzalo for these beautiful pictures and informations.
Dear Peter, i have the same head that you have in your beautiful Alouette III ... i bought it from Munich in Germany and tried it once and i was lucky i didn't crash my Lama.
the Lama was so sensitive even with Expo!! I'm sure I didn't set it up correctly.
how you find this head? and how is your setup? the swash should tilt in which direction with Aileron command let's say, and is the swash goes up with the increase of the collective?
thanks ...

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Peter » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:52 pm

Hi Salah,

which head do you have? The new Vario head with mixing arms or the scale head like this

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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:26 pm

Peter were have you find
the scale head like this
and how were the flight performances and behavior?
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Re: Vario turbine Lama and Helicommand HC3 Extreme

Postby Héli Suisse » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:31 pm

By the way it's a very nice piece of art totally scale looking. Should have been perfect on the magnificent fuselage you've build :cool:
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